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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://lightweightoutdoors.com/?p=718&#038;cpage=1#comment-642</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only someone with your surname could ask buoyancy questions&quot; - my brother&#039;s middle name is Isaac. No joke.

Thanks for the explanation and believe me I appreciate the simplification of the science! If time and money allow I plan to give packrafting a go this year. I see so much scope for it over here. The larger fjords scare me a little as I&#039;m not the strongest swimmer so I want to make sure that if (when...) anything goes wrong that I give myself a solid chance of living to tell the tale. Although the MoPacka concept seems great I guess it does mean you have to carry the requisite amount of Platypi (I usually only carry 1.5 litres worth). But then they&#039;re dual purpose and still lighter than carrying a PFD, even if it can replace your sleep mat.... see? I guess I need to do some maths. I could use the kids at school to brainstorm this...

So by your calculations if I managed to eat 7.5 litres of pies I should be good to go?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only someone with your surname could ask buoyancy questions&#8221; &#8211; my brother&#8217;s middle name is Isaac. No joke.</p>
<p>Thanks for the explanation and believe me I appreciate the simplification of the science! If time and money allow I plan to give packrafting a go this year. I see so much scope for it over here. The larger fjords scare me a little as I&#8217;m not the strongest swimmer so I want to make sure that if (when&#8230;) anything goes wrong that I give myself a solid chance of living to tell the tale. Although the MoPacka concept seems great I guess it does mean you have to carry the requisite amount of Platypi (I usually only carry 1.5 litres worth). But then they&#8217;re dual purpose and still lighter than carrying a PFD, even if it can replace your sleep mat&#8230;. see? I guess I need to do some maths. I could use the kids at school to brainstorm this&#8230;</p>
<p>So by your calculations if I managed to eat 7.5 litres of pies I should be good to go?!</p>
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		<title>By: PhilT</title>
		<link>http://lightweightoutdoors.com/?p=718&#038;cpage=1#comment-637</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only someone with your surname could ask buoyancy questions....

I&#039;m going to use some pretty nasty approximations here, for starters, that 1Kg corresponds to 10 Newtons (it&#039;s more like 9.80665.....), and that 1 litre of air displaces 1Kg of water (sorry Archimedes). That&#039;s INCREDIBLY rough, but for simplicity it&#039;ll have to do. A normal foam BA is rated at 50 Newtons, whereas an inland/coastal lifejacket is rated at 150N, offshore 275N etc etc. The way my back-of-an-Esbit-packet calculations work - I need 5 litres of Playpus distributed about the MoPacka to have the same effect as a 50N BA (my physics teacher is crying right now), so as I managed to cram in 7.5 litres that&#039;s almost the same as a 75N buoyancy aid (sob). I also thought about WHERE the &#039;buoyancy&#039; is - if it&#039;s mostly in the back of the vest it&#039;ll assist me to float face down ( I reckon that&#039;s bad), vice versa if it&#039;s mostly on the front pocket (this is good). Body fat is also more buoyant than muscle, so I&#039;ve been eating pies to aid my personal safety. 

Another recognised technique is to ram a Thermarest up your jacket - this works, but it&#039;s not quite as elegant or comfortable as the MoPacka. It&#039;s possible to cut arm holes and reseal the mat too, but my little torso-length Thermarest wouldn&#039;t be alot of use. Plus it&#039;ll &lt;del datetime=&quot;2010-03-01T19:43:21+00:00&quot;&gt;possibly&lt;/del&gt; probably get wet, or pop out in all the excitement of capsizing.

Remember that kayakers use a Buoyancy AID rather than a lifejacket - a BA on its own only assists you to keep afloat, whereas a lifejacket has a much greater chance of overcoming gravity and keeping you above the water with its clever negative-Newtons. Incidentally a deployed lifejacket (like one that uses a little CO2 canister) isn&#039;t that big - it&#039;s surprising how little gas is involved really. 

I work in engineering and the gross misuse of principles above makes me slightly bilious -  please don&#039;t judge me or risk your life based on ANYTHING I&#039;ve said above or in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only someone with your surname could ask buoyancy questions&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to use some pretty nasty approximations here, for starters, that 1Kg corresponds to 10 Newtons (it&#8217;s more like 9.80665&#8230;..), and that 1 litre of air displaces 1Kg of water (sorry Archimedes). That&#8217;s INCREDIBLY rough, but for simplicity it&#8217;ll have to do. A normal foam BA is rated at 50 Newtons, whereas an inland/coastal lifejacket is rated at 150N, offshore 275N etc etc. The way my back-of-an-Esbit-packet calculations work &#8211; I need 5 litres of Playpus distributed about the MoPacka to have the same effect as a 50N BA (my physics teacher is crying right now), so as I managed to cram in 7.5 litres that&#8217;s almost the same as a 75N buoyancy aid (sob). I also thought about WHERE the &#8216;buoyancy&#8217; is &#8211; if it&#8217;s mostly in the back of the vest it&#8217;ll assist me to float face down ( I reckon that&#8217;s bad), vice versa if it&#8217;s mostly on the front pocket (this is good). Body fat is also more buoyant than muscle, so I&#8217;ve been eating pies to aid my personal safety. </p>
<p>Another recognised technique is to ram a Thermarest up your jacket &#8211; this works, but it&#8217;s not quite as elegant or comfortable as the MoPacka. It&#8217;s possible to cut arm holes and reseal the mat too, but my little torso-length Thermarest wouldn&#8217;t be alot of use. Plus it&#8217;ll <del datetime="2010-03-01T19:43:21+00:00">possibly</del> probably get wet, or pop out in all the excitement of capsizing.</p>
<p>Remember that kayakers use a Buoyancy AID rather than a lifejacket &#8211; a BA on its own only assists you to keep afloat, whereas a lifejacket has a much greater chance of overcoming gravity and keeping you above the water with its clever negative-Newtons. Incidentally a deployed lifejacket (like one that uses a little CO2 canister) isn&#8217;t that big &#8211; it&#8217;s surprising how little gas is involved really. </p>
<p>I work in engineering and the gross misuse of principles above makes me slightly bilious &#8211;  please don&#8217;t judge me or risk your life based on ANYTHING I&#8217;ve said above or in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://lightweightoutdoors.com/?p=718&#038;cpage=1#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how much buoyancy do a few empty Platypus bottles offer? Will they actually keep you afloat? It&#039;s an ingenious design though, much lighter I&#039;m guessing than PFD. What about wearing a foam PFD and using it as your sleep mat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how much buoyancy do a few empty Platypus bottles offer? Will they actually keep you afloat? It&#8217;s an ingenious design though, much lighter I&#8217;m guessing than PFD. What about wearing a foam PFD and using it as your sleep mat?</p>
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